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Grocery Store packaging

Postby JNorth » February 4th, 2009, 10:42 am

This is a brainstorming thread.

Near Future scenario:

We still have community markets or grocery stores or whatever you want to call them. PLaces where distributed and local food is bought by the average consumer...

Packaging:

Is there a way to limit the amount of wasted packaging that American homes use? Every time I but a loaf of bread I wind up with a half a pound of disposable plastic waste.

My idea is to develop a packaging system based on a re-usable container. One that the consumer brings with them everytime they go grocery shopping.

But I'd like to make it even more advanced.. different type of re-usable packaging that can even transport frozen goods, fresh goods, perishables, etc... ....

I dunno feel free to cheer my idea on, or shoot it down. I know its full of flaws. ... I just want to see a change in the amount of plastic waste I develop just from bringing the groceries from the store to my home.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Justin Boland » February 4th, 2009, 10:51 am

A more direct line between producers and customers. (Notice I didn't say "consumers" there.)

If you can get to the bakery from home, you don't need to package much. Same goes for produce. Most of our food infrastructure, here at the house, is based on Mason jars. We still can't avoid the plastic when transporting produce and bulk food, though.

Scale is the demon here, too: there's definitely alternatives to plastic packaging but they're not subsidized and they're not provided by a massive, global industrial infrastructure that turns it out for virtually nothing.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby JNorth » February 6th, 2009, 12:15 pm

Thanks for the reply.

This idea is beligerant and radical...


I'm picturing a Massive, sudden government mandated change, kind of like how all the televisions are converting to a new format in February this year (a commercial for that is actually where this idea comes from) .. But I figured, if they can get an entire country to organize a new television viewing format, they can get everyone to switch up the way they transport food from the store to their house. ...


Mason Jars and Canvas bags.. ... Easy to wash and durable. .. I dunno. Desperate times, desperate measures maybe. .. .
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Michelle » February 6th, 2009, 1:11 pm

This is how they do it everywhere else in the world- Nicaragua, India, Turkey, even in Paris you can leave your apartment with a shopping basket and hit about 10 different grocers. One guy for your veggies, the next guy for your grains, then to see the nice lady with the candy and cookies... and it's more fun this way. Life is supposed to be fun, not sterile. American grocery stores freak me out.


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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Xtal » February 7th, 2009, 9:38 pm

The first time I visited France, as a teenager, I was shocked when we went to the boulangerie and the baker just handed over a baguette with no packaging at all. At best, there'd be a slip of paper taped around its midsection. You just walk down the street holding this bread in your bare hands, knocking it against the walls, whatever! Well, maybe not knocking it against the walls. But yeah, we could stand to just have less packaging on our food.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby 53880 » February 7th, 2009, 10:46 pm

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmen ... s-47010907

Lots of other progressive cities like Vancouver, San Fran have taken up similar measures.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Justin Boland » February 8th, 2009, 4:12 pm

And for all the plastic bags already in circulation, let's not forget Daniel Burd and his magic microbes that pulverize plastic in three months:
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008 ... poses.html

http://cryptogon.com/?p=2634

Daniel, a 16-year-old Grade 11 student at Waterloo Collegiate Institute, got the idea for his project from everyday life.

“Almost every week I have to do chores and when I open the closet door, I have this avalanche of plastic bags falling on top of me,” he said. “One day, I got tired of it and I wanted to know what other people are doing with these plastic bags.”

The answer: not much. So he decided to do something himself.

He knew plastic does eventually degrade, and figured microorganisms must be behind it. His goal was to isolate the microorganisms that can break down plastic — not an easy task because they don’t exist in high numbers in nature.

First, he ground plastic bags into a powder. Next, he used ordinary household chemicals, yeast and tap water to create a solution that would encourage microbe growth. To that, he added the plastic powder and dirt. Then the solution sat in a shaker at 30 degrees.

After three months of upping the concentration of plastic-eating microbes, Burd filtered out the remaining plastic powder and put his bacterial culture into three flasks with strips of plastic cut from grocery bags. As a control, he also added plastic to flasks containing boiled and therefore dead bacterial culture.

Six weeks later, he weighed the strips of plastic. The control strips were the same. But the ones that had been in the live bacterial culture weighed an average of 17 per cent less.

That wasn’t good enough for Burd. To identify the bacteria in his culture, he let them grow on agar plates and found he had four types of microbes. He tested those on more plastic strips and found only the second was capable of significant plastic degradation.

Next, Burd tried mixing his most effective strain with the others. He found strains one and two together produced a 32 per cent weight loss in his plastic strips. His theory is strain one helps strain two reproduce.

Tests to identify the strains found strain two was Sphingomonas bacteria and the helper was Pseudomonas.

A researcher in Ireland has found Pseudomonas is capable of degrading polystyrene, but as far as Burd and his teacher Mark Menhennet know — and they’ve looked — Burd’s research on polyethelene plastic bags is a first.

Next, Burd tested his strains’ effectiveness at different temperatures, concentrations and with the addition of sodium acetate as a ready source of carbon to help bacteria grow.

At 37 degrees and optimal bacterial concentration, with a bit of sodium acetate thrown in, Burd achieved 43 per cent degradation within six weeks.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby MondayC » February 16th, 2009, 11:29 pm

It's a good idea, but a lot of the packaging is there to keep food freshest. A smaller store like the picture above is ideal, but I'm not sure how well it would work in a lot of American cities now that you can buy your toilet paper and your vegetables 30 feet from each other in a Walmart. My local supermarkets each have an aisle dedicated solely to choices in bread (just an example that fits the topic). There is no way in hell that all that bread is circulated in a day or two, plus the container keeps the bread fresh on it's journey from halfway across the country. The plastic bag is going to be the easiest way to sell bread that isn't stale. Part of the problem is that we don't buy our food from our neighbor. In my town of 40K, we have one bakery, 2 if you include the donut shop. That's a different thread, though
Have you ever made your own bread? I think the quality is infinitely better, yet cheaper at the same time. Plus, it's fun.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Justin Boland » February 17th, 2009, 10:38 am

MondayC wrote:It's a good idea, but a lot of the packaging is there to keep food freshest. A smaller store like the picture above is ideal, but I'm not sure how well it would work in a lot of American cities now that you can buy your toilet paper and your vegetables 30 feet from each other in a Walmart.


An excellent point, it's important to ground this in the bigger problem: transportation. Although I'm skeptical about the sudden collapse of Worst-Case doomers invoking peak oil, it is pretty undeniable that transportation expenses are rising sharply for the foreseeable future and we currently lack any alternatives capable of scaling to meet the current demand.

That is plenty ugly enough without having to invoke the spectre of that horrible monday morning when all the gas was suddenly gone. But I'll grimly admit that could happen anywhere in the world.

Come to think of it, the same thing driving the food transportation is also driving the machines making the food packaging, so the two problems are even more intertwined than I thought.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Davis Doersam » February 17th, 2009, 1:30 pm

Some wide open brainstorming here, just counting threads of thought... Hopefully I'll spark some ideas from someone smarter/quicker/stronger/etc.

Issue: Literally wasted foodstuff packaging (for food itself and disposable grocery store plastic bags), primarily for urban/suburban grocery stores.

Can it be reformed? Major force behind use and waste of food packaging & grocery bags: it's ROTE. It's been socially conditioned. People don't think about it. It's what they're used to, what they've been conditioned to accept as the invisible norm. You get your food in a plastic bag, you throw it out when you're done with it. Anything else seems weird/threatening/un-American/like eco-terrorist PETA-hugging hippie bullshit. Can we make this ritual a positive? Can we make this work for us instead of against us? There must be some way to leverage this blind habit against the damage it causes. Plastic bags that eat themselves? That compost other garbage? And that can still be made cheaply so that stores will continue to purchase them? From what I understand, biodegradable bags do exist (I'll have to look it up though, double check). Self-composting bags w/ tiny beneficial plant seeds meshed in? Garden landfills? Those bag-pulverizing microbes are an excellent example. Can plastic bag recycling/composting be made nice and shiny and attractive to the average person? Can it be incentivized without becoming prohibitively expensive, unappealing to stores, etc?

Less packaging movement - Amazon's recent plain-ass packaging option makes me think that smart companies should WANT to have as minimal packaging as possible - it's just CHEAPER. And it makes you look good, let's you hop aboard the green train. Shit, with a little thought on design, minimal packaging can still look as good to Joe Blow and grab the attention of "eco-conscious" shoppers who might be thrown off by RADICAL changes like making the food/toilet-paper/consumable itself better for you or the environment which you inhabit.

In the past, I've had locally produced food delivered to my door weekly, with minimal/no packaging other than the re-used bins they come in, through local food co-ops. They exist, and apparently most people don't use them. Seems like it would be easier to get set up and ubiquitous in smaller scale communities, and harder to get a lot of momentum with in large-scale communities and large cities, due to speed of service, limited selection, etc.

Re-useable grocery bags - Most local stores in Victoria, BC, offer re-useable fabric bags for purchase instead of using plastic bags, and a couple large stores (Superstore, off the top of my head) don't offer plastic bags at all, only the purchase of re-useable bags. Once you end up hauling out a massive, carefully balanced armful of groceries in what looks like a ballsy juggling act on the way to your car a couple of times, you start to remember to bring the bags you've purchased or others of your own. This doesn't really address food packaging, because the current grocery store model isn't set up for re-useable food packaging, and I can't see an easy transition to that, at least that people would accept.

Edible food packaging - This would be dope. Is it viable? Could it be produced large-scale? Will have to look into it. Might be flying car tech, though.

Decentralized food distribution - As above, how the rest of the world purchases food. Can we break the psychological stranglehold of large-scale cheap food stores? Can we break the supermarket, bring it away from heirarchy and toward a network infrastructure? Again, ties in with an emphasis on local foods. Local foods seem to be the weak point for the big name grocery stores. Maybe push the slow food, 100 mile diet local eating movements? They seem to be quite popular at the moment, but still in a fringe/exotic way. Needs to be pushed as a new norm, the expected source of food instead of the exotic meal out.

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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Davis Doersam » February 17th, 2009, 2:42 pm

Might be useful to have a breakdown of obstacles here, a list of why packaging is used as it is used at the moment. Again, more unstructured brainstorming with no assurance of quality. Please feel free to correct me,

Ritual/Rote - Again, I think it's important to understand the resistance that any change will be faced with, simply due to it being a change. Important things to focus on: be aware and in control of the language/symbols being used on both sides of argument, and make the changeover easy and painless to adopt on an individual level (or painful not to adopt - see re-useable bags). Useful to look at post-marketing forces here - make it open and authentic, leverage the simple but overwhelming social power of "EVERYONE ELSE IS ALREADY DOING IT WHY AREN'T YOU" without being condescending or overbearing (keep it a subtext - again, language used), empower groups, etc. It has to seem safe and cool and easy and boringly mundane and still have people who are passionate about it without being *gasp* offensive or it'll take a metric fuckload more work to try to force on people.

Cost (time/money/etc)- If people are going to spend more, they'd better get something out of it, whether it's tangible or social or what. Same for changing ingrained habits. Behaviour needs to be incentivised/reinforced through short-term payoffs. Probably simpler than you'd think. For example, when you pay for a re-useable bag? You get a re-useable bag. Generally, an at-least-mildly aesthetically pleasing and functional piece of social proof ("I don't use plastic bags because we all know that's bad, right? I'm good"), with probably a logo slapped on for assurance and tangible tribal identity branding ("I shop HERE, do you?"). Anyway, back to the original point, payoff needs to be short term to justify change, long term just doesn't do it (or else this wouldn't be a problem in the first place). Something simple, something easy, something fun that can be done with packaging to minimize it, to recycle it, to do away with it.
For stores themselves, they just need to see that if they use wasteful packaging and bags, they're going to look bad and lose business, and if they don't waste packaging and bags, they're going to look good and gain business.

Food security/health and safety - Of course, while some stored food can have excess packaging reduced greatly, if you're storing food long-term it's going to need to be packaged. Emphasize local/regional/communal slow food over long-distance pre-packaged food, cut out transportation costs, push away from pre-packaged and fast food (one-shot eat and toss food). I'll have to take a look into the alternatives here, because *DUH*, food needs to be safe to eat.

I could have sworn I had more... hah. Well, I'll just update this as they come to me, and as other people bring up considerations.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Justin Boland » February 17th, 2009, 3:04 pm

Davis Doersam wrote:Can we break the psychological stranglehold of large-scale cheap food stores? Can we break the supermarket, bring it away from heirarchy and toward a network infrastructure? Again, ties in with an emphasis on local foods. Local foods seem to be the weak point for the big name grocery stores.


This really grabbed me. I'm going to dig around, ask around locally, get a sense of the supply chain and volume involved. As per usual, our enemy will probably be the dread demon Scale, mocking us with his exponentially echoing laughter.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Davis Doersam » February 17th, 2009, 3:59 pm

One of two interesting articles brought to my attention by Chris Arkenberg (@Chris23)

Wal-Mart Challenges Plastic Jewel Case Packaging
The CDSA Sustainable Packaging Committee explores alternatives for sustainable – and manufacturable – packaging
By Dan Daley

Hamburger Helper has straightened its noodles. That’s not a reference to corporate sanity; rather, it’s one of many ways that companies have adapted their products in order to make their packaging more environmentally friendly – Straighter noodles means a smaller box. Other solutions are more sophisticated: Skin-care company Pangea Organics packages its products in boxes made from 100 percent post-consumer paper combined with organic seeds like sweet basil and amaranth – so you can just plant the empty packaging to grow your own herb garden.

The redesign of packaging is also driven by Wal-Mart’s initiative, announced in 2006, to address its environmental footprint, with a goal to reduce packaging used by suppliers by five percent by 2013. In an effort to achieve this target, the retail behemoth has announced a Sustainable Packaging Scorecard enviro-accounting protocol that allows manufacturers to rank their use of packaging to help reduce environmental impact. The scores consider a range of relevant categories including greenhouse gas emissions produced per ton of packaging, raw material use, packaging size, recycled content, material recovery value, renewable energy use, transportation impacts, and innovation.

Beginning this year, Wal-Mart will make purchasing decisions based on the scorecard results, a policy that will force manufacturers in a variety of sectors to reexamine their packaging processes. Wal-Mart’s unique position in the retail universe gives it the power to compel compliance – It operates the largest truck fleet in the world, has the largest electric bill in the country, and has more people in uniform than all the branches of the U.S. military combined. With more than 60,000 suppliers around the world, meeting Wal-Mart’s expectations would save 76 million gallons of diesel fuel in a year.

Optical Disc Packaging
However, while experts in sustainability circles agree it’s a positive start, and that the long-term results of this corporate commitment could be enormously beneficial to the environment, they also say that the scorecard is far from perfect. The values for many of the categories have been assigned in an arguably arbitrary fashion, and the scorecard is weighted according to a formula devised by Wal-Mart itself – it gives 15 percent of the total score to four rubrics: greenhouse gases, cube utilization, material value and product/package ratio; transportation costs, recyclable content and recovery value get 10 percent each; and five percent is assigned for renewable energy and innovation.

Unfortunately, these ratios are not very favorable to the packaging currently being used for optical discs, particularly music CDs and recordable CDs and DVDs. Addressing attendees at the CDSA Forum in April, Rod Streeper, director of customer operations at Entertainment Distribution Company (EDC) and co-chair of the CDSA’s Sustainable Packaging Committee, said that Wal-Mart accounts for 31 percent of music CD sales and added that the packaging “doesn’t look good [to Wal-Mart] in terms of where they want us to be.”

Streeper explained that Wal-Mart “arbitrarily” assigned a score of 1.0 to the current polystyrene jewel case, based on values attributed to the seven scorecard categories. He compared that to an ideal solution composed solely of paper, which achieves a score of 10, the goal Streeper says Wal-Mart wants the CD packaging industry to attain. “As close as we can come to that will determine their buying habits, and there are not a lot of options,” he said. “No one solution will come out the winner; there will be mixed solutions.”

The leading alternative that the packaging committee is studying is a proposed polypropylene package, which achieves a 4.75 score, based on Wal-Mart’s criteria. Streeper said that the proposed case had been successful in its packaging automation trials. “It doesn’t get us to 10, but it gets us a good part of the way there,” he said.

The polypropylene case has emerged as the only “drop in” solution for automated packaging. It adds up to three cents to the cost of the package, but that’s less than the 10 cents that the committee estimates a purely paper package would cost, and which would be non-automatable in any event. “[Content owners] don’t want to have to throw more capital against something that has declining revenue,” said Streeper.

Referring again to the Wal-Mart scorecard as “arbitrary and subjective,” Streeper cautioned that what might be ideal from an environmental perspective could be unmarketable to the supply chain. “The more [we] know about the tools we are measured against, the better we’ll be able to influence the discussions that are happening,” he said, adding that the Wal-Mart scorecard is not the only set of metrics trying to measure carbon footprints. “I sit on two organizations and neither can agree what constitutes certification. Any solution has to take a holistic view of the supply chain.”

IMATION’S Solution
At the Forum, recordable media maker Imation demonstrated several examples of how media packaging be reformatted to comply with Wal-Mart’s edicts. Imation reduced the footprint of its Memorex 30-unit disc packaging, reducing materials used by 80 percent, cube size by 30 percent, and increased container loading by 16 percent. Furthermore, it has increased the use of recycled materials in spindles: the top contains 25 percent recycled polypropylene while the base is comprised of 50 percent recycled polypropylene.

“What we did was to make a sustainable package,” said Joseph A. Grasso, manager of graphics & marketing services for Imation’s Consumer Brands Corp., adding that the package is also compliant with California’s stringent state Rigid Packaging Container law


What Grasso referred to as a “secret weapon” is its forthcoming patent-pending universal spindle, to be used on its “cakebox” 100-disc packages. “We value-engineered it, reduced the weight with less materials and reduced the volume, [and] it’s universal – we can apply it across our product lines.” The new cakebox cuts weight by 28 grams – 19.6 percent less than the current design – and it offers a volume reduction of 11 percent. Grasso said the effort to create new packaging designs has paid off in more ways than just meeting retail expectations. What he referred to as “right-sizing” will get Memorex’s music CD-R blister pack into the point-of-purchase areas of stores while also reducing shipping costs.

Imation has also experimented with paper packaging. It developed a proposed combined plastic/paper pack solution for its TDK headphones that was presented to Costco. However, in an outcome that’s becoming more and more common, the retailer said that it liked larger plastic packaging because the size helped reduce theft. “The trade is calling the shots,” said Grasso.

Grasso stated further that meeting retailer expectations isn’t the sole aim of pursuing environmentally friendly packaging. “It’s our corporate responsibility,” he told attendees at the CDSA conference. “It makes good business sense… and it makes us environmental stewards.”

The Real Challenge
Streeper’s exhortation to view packaging redesigns from the point of view of the entire supply chain underscores the real challenge presented by attaining scorecard goals. “When people ask me what’s the likely outcome of all this, I say there never will be one [outcome],” he says. “It will be a mixed bag of solutions.” But Streeper did forecast that within a year or two polystyrene cases will have been eliminated from disc packaging – a “wholesale replacement of the polystyrene jewel case,” he predicts, but that what replaces it will be an array of solutions that will vary from vendor to vendor.

“I doubt, with the lack of consolidation [in the packaging industry], that any one solution will be adopted,” he says. “But we need to influence the final solutions.”
To quote Kermit the Frog, “It ain’t easy being green.”



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So, what I'm drawing from this is that Wal-Mart is pushing this because a) it SAVES THEM MONEY, and b) it LOOKS GOOD to customers. So, to bind the corporate demons, push solutions that take these into account.


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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Justin Boland » February 17th, 2009, 4:39 pm

I remember reading Amory Lovins telling me exactly that, many many years ago...that sustainability would be all about reducing overhead expenses, and the real pressure would come from accountants with detailed + accurate metrics. (Wal-Mart is a success story for the same reason any money-driven website can increase profits with analytics software and A/B testing.) Chris did a good job talking me out of my feral anarchist rage and into something more sensible...Wal-Mart will not be leaving anytime soon, and if they do hit the brick wall of transportation costs once peak oil hits in earnest, well, no amount of tweaking can help them hurdle that. Only radical change, and that's what I'll hope for when I think about the future of Wal-Mart.

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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby MondayC » February 17th, 2009, 4:51 pm

I was thinking about this a lot today. I didn't get much productivity happening besides the answer is to localize foods. After school, I went to the grocery store to get a green pepper, so I picked the best I could find out and walked to the counter. "Excuse me sir, you need a bag for that produce!" some manager tells me. I sort of roll my eyes, as if he's implying that I can't hold a green pepper. "Store policy." I get to the register to pay. I looked down my pocket to dig a few nickels out and by the time I look up, there my green pepper is inside a produce bag inside of a Hy-Vee bag. I ask why she did that without trying to sound like an a-hole, but apparently it's store policy. Everything in that store leaves in either a reusable tote or a Hy-Vee printed bag to prevent theft. It's easy enough to bypass simply by stealing a reusable bag at the same time, but store policy has an effect of what gets thrown in the waste pile, too.

Thing 2: Why are Cheese Nips double-packaged in a foil bag and cardboard? That stuff would be unbelievably simple to fix.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Adrisya Alok » February 17th, 2009, 5:04 pm

^^I agree, cheese nips are so delicious they could change the color and product name every few months and still be able to move millions of crackers a day. Just printing the box on the bag is not a stretch by any means, customers will recognize it and buy it without a hiccup or a hitch.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby Davis Doersam » February 17th, 2009, 5:23 pm

To appeal to corporate demons, I think local food needs to be made nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper than industrially produced food of the same type. Whether that be through high-tech bioregional know-how, massive subsidization of small-scale bio-regional agriculture, unsupportable transportation costs, massive taxation or some other form of de-incentivization of industrial agricultural practices, mass public turn against industrial agriculture, who knows. Another good thing to brainstorm, but that's possibly moving away from this issue. Might continue here or move over to Urban Farming if any thoughts on this come up.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby 53880 » February 17th, 2009, 8:29 pm

Davis Doersam wrote:Edible food packaging - This would be dope.



Badass idea, although I have a feeling people would reject the notion of their packaging being fondled/transported so much. Some people are convinced that shiny plastic wrapper on the outside means their food is quarantined. How about food packaging origami?

I think supermarkets main concern over providing localized food production is a) consistency/volume b) their contracts with major wholesale distributors c) "scale". Those businesses are so streamlined, they depend upon timely, consistent product. They deal with bulk purchases and divide it among hundreds outlets. Localizing requires a tremendous amount of store-dedicated staff just to interface between the orders from corporate and the local food producers. The first time a farmer misses a deadline (by maybe 1 day?), I imagine management cutting them out. Independent natural food shoppes would be a much more viable channel as they order individually from wholesalers and probably bypass major long-term distribution contracts.
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Re: Grocery Store packaging

Postby franklen » April 23rd, 2009, 9:07 pm

So after reading this thread, I didn't find an answer to whether or not it would be possible to use something like jute or flax bags for bulk food purchases? Well, I know it would be possible. I would love to help my local co-op faze out plastic bags for bulk foods, but need to find a good source. Anyone tried this yet?
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