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Great pragmatic read on "Things going to shit"

Postby Justin Boland » January 27th, 2009, 1:38 am

http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/5013

I really dig this -- the author has a ton of background knowledge and looks at the possibility of violent collapse in the US in a non-doomer way. No hysteria, paranoia or cheerleading the apocalypse.

So what makes for non-violent outcomes to social crisis? And could we expect this to apply to a peak everything crisis in the United States? I don't have any firm answers and want to provoke a discussion more than anything else. But here are a few suggestions.

First, in most of the violent outcomes listed above, violence is not a matter of social banditry but is politically organized. In Croatia and Bosnia, politicians “played the ethnic card” in trying to secede from the union and recruited thugs to organize violence against both their political opponents and members of other ethnic groups. Though these groups recruited thousands of men, the desertion rate was astounding, according to John Mueller; most people, including young men, preferred to take their chances with their families than to fight. Ashutosh Varshney has a fascinating study of religious conflict in India, where he shows that cities with similar levels of religious division could have long histories of communal violence – or not. The crucial factor was politically motivated thuggery. Where politicians hired thugs to stir up communal violence, you had riots; where the politicians didn't feel compelled or able to do so, there was no such violence.

In cities, it makes sense to worry about rioting and looting in the event of food shortages. But again, Americans might recall their own experience. In the fuel crisis of 1975, when Arab countries cut oil supplies to the United States in retaliation for U.S. support for Israel in the 1974 war, we had enormous lines at gas stations and some theft (this was when we started worrying about whether our gas caps had locks, remember?), but very little violence beyond a fist fight or two at the pumps. Food riots could be more serious, but these are usually responses to specific events: the government announces a sudden price increase; a bakery closes its doors and rumors spread that the owner is hoarding food; and – always important – the police step in with force.

Most riots, in fact, start with police violence. Police conduct is key, even when people in the street start the violence. SWAT teams can do a lot of damage; they generally exacerbate violence when lots of people are involved. In Seattle, for example, the WTO protests only became “riots” when out-of-town, SWAT trained police crossed their own line in the sand and started lobbing tear gas in the Capitol Hill neighborhood. Young people enjoying life in that area's outdoor cafes, who had had no part in the protests, rose from their seats and started pelting the police with rocks and their own tear gas canisters. In New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, the hysterical news reports to the contrary, violence was almost wholly the work of white vigilantes inspired by those same reports to “defend” their communities against supposed looters.
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Re: Great pragmatic read on "Things going to shit"

Postby jstorvick » January 27th, 2009, 9:09 am

I really dig this article - it seems well researched and definitely has a much more positive vibe than many of the "collapse" scenarios bandied about these days. I would offer a note of caution, though. The possibility of violent collapse, civil war, rampant horrors, etc. does still exist. I see no reason to preclude that possibility. Any sort of planning for future crises should necessarily involve some kind of self- and community defense strategy. While it may (or may not) be likely that people will come together and try to survive together, it is entirely possible that some will choose to fend for themselves by preying on others. And I do not think that relying on local law enforcement to quell any sort of disturbance or violent activity is a good (or self-reliant) idea - in fact, as in the case of unrest in other countries shows, police and military forces may even be the source or cause of brutality, theft of resources and so on. As the author mentions, most (not all) of the violence in collapse scenarios is politically motivated and organized. Is there a reason to think that there might not be political violence in a US collapse scenario? Or that social banditry does not exist at all? In a full-fledged US collapse scenario (dwindling/nonexistent petroleum & other energy sources, crashed economy, fractured government, food shortages etc.) there might indeed be the kinds of things we have seen in say, African countries over the last 30 years - political, social, religious, criminal factions vying for control of territory and resources.

I'm not saying any of this to be a "doomer." Do I think any of this is going to happen? Not really, but I include the possibility in my planning repertoire. If and/or when a collapse really plays itself out here, I want to be as prepared and organized as possible to deal with whatever challenges I and my family (and community) might face. Toward that end, I am much more inclined to design sustainable community resources that can be shared with and benefited by the community, rather than hoarding my own stuff and preparing for militia-survivalist-style war on all those who come within shooting distance. But, it might indeed be a good idea to plan for the worst, hope for the best, and understand that it likely will go down somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Great pragmatic read on "Things going to shit"

Postby Justin Boland » January 27th, 2009, 11:38 am

I agree. Even by the authors own facts and assumptions -- we do have a strong political force in this country who has a vested interest in using violence for political ends. It's the same right wing that's organizing "Red State Strike Forces," and it's the same right wing that stepped to Smedley Butler back in the 40s. They call themselves conservatives, but by any honest accounting they're fascists, who use Christianity as a cover and a tool.

Assembly of God types are what worry me - they're already in survivalist apocalypse mode and their whole vocabulary is warfare -- "prayer warfare" even! no irony here!

EDIT: again, though, this comes back to community and communication. I do want to point out that it's important not to just fear these lunatics from a distance, we need to actively engage them, especially when it's comfortable. I went to the local "International House of Prayer" to ask them about Todd Bentley and the Joel's Army stuff, and boy that was awkward. It also started a conversation that revealed most of the kids in the room had no idea whose banner they were meeting under, so hopefully....nah, probably not. But I tried.


Media control is also extremely important and I'm surprised that he didn't address that very much. To my mind, post-collapse will be a race between using media to spread messages of violence and fear, and using it to expose abuses and keep communities connected.
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